Los precios de Triumph concesionario

Hello,

Please excuse the English language, I have '!computer translated¡' below.

Could someone advise me about buying a new Triumph in Spain, I am familiar with buying Harley's and other bikes in the UK, but I now want to move to Triumph.

In the UK the official concessionaires won't discount new Harley's, but some other manufacturers (Kawasaki Yamaha etc) do discount. So should I try to negotiate prices for a new Triumph in Spain... do Spanish Triumph concessionaires discount/negotiate or do they only sell at factory prices?

I have been offered a 10% discount by a UK concessionaire on either a new Thunderbird Storm (preferred) or a Speedmaster. If I export it directly into Spain, I would pay no UK tax (VAT) 20% and there is a good possibility that I would not pay tax (IVA) in Spain. This would mean that I have a new Storm for 11800,00 euros plus the cost of Spanish transfer, which could mean a saving of 4000,00+/- euros on the official price from a Spanish concessionaire.

However, the other side is, I would much prefer to deal with a Spanish concessionaire.

Does anyone have any thoughts please.

Gracias y saludos.

[u2piyo2ak]Pedimos disculpas por la traducción por ordenador- [/u2piyo2ak]

[i2piyo2ak]Hola,

Por favor, disculpe el idioma Inglés, no tengo! Equipo traducida ¡'a continuación.

¿Podría alguien me aconsejara sobre la compra de un nuevo triunfo en España, estoy familiarizado con la compra de Harley y otras motos en el Reino Unido, pero ahora quiero pasar a triunfo.

En el Reino Unido los concesionarios oficiales no se descarta nueva Harley, pero algunos otros fabricantes (Kawasaki Yamaha, etc) hacen descuento. Así que debo tratar de negociar los precios para un nuevo triunfo en España ... hacer Triunfo español de descuento concesionarios / negociar o que sólo se venden a precios de fábrica?

Me han ofrecido un descuento del 10% por los concesionarios de Reino Unido en cualquiera de una nueva tormenta de Thunderbird (preferido) o una Speedmaster. Si lo exporte directamente a España, yo no pagaría impuestos del Reino Unido (IVA) del 20% y hay una buena posibilidad de que no iba a pagar el impuesto (IVA) en España. Esto significaría que tengo una nueva tormenta de 11800,00 euros, más el costo de la transferencia de español, lo que podría significar un ahorro de 4000,00 + / - de euros en el precio oficial de un concesionario español.

Sin embargo, el otro lado está, yo preferiría hacer frente a un concesionario español.

¿Alguien tiene alguna idea por favor.

Gracias y saludos.
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Of course you can work out for a discount here, but I'm not really sure on not paying Spanish VAT, I think you'll must do.

Good luck

Hi loMarraco,

Thank you for your reply.

I understand what you say about paying Spanish tax, but there is a way with personal imports that works 99% of the time (worth taking the chance )

Can you give me any idea on a percentage that I might negotiate with a Spanish concessionaire?

Gracias

Well, for sure each concessionaire do they way. They usually love speaking on accessories for free instead, but I think speaking on 500 Euros discount for the Storm won't be disturbing, can't think on an appropriate % for around 16.000 Euros; I'm sorry.

Regards

Since you are in EU and unless "you are" a company i think you must pay the IVA/VAT.
Avoid citys like Madrid, they not discount anything or little.
I think you can avoid pay taxes when you are not a EU member only, then you country charge you the VAT in customs.

Anyway you can get only about 300€ for a 7000€ bike or 600€ for a 11.000€ bike, and most times for spend on accessories. well that better than nothing.

You can search for Kilometre 0 bikes, they are few euros cheap because km0 bikes are already ¿registered? but in Triumph ins't a easy search.

sorry for my english.

I understand what you say about paying Spanish tax, but there is a way with personal imports that works 99% of the time (worth taking the chance )
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how? if work i going to UK or Portugal to buy my next bike!

Hi George, as I am married to an english lady, I might reply to you. First of all you got to be resident to buy a Triumph, or any other bike in Spain. Then concerning the price, you should pay the same as any other spanish citizen. You will not save any amount for taxes, if the motorcycle got to be registred in Spain. Remember "U got to be resident in Spain" and export is not allowed by Triumph for the spanish dealers. I have had the same question from your side, an UK dealer to sell me a bike. After many emails and telephone calls, finally it wasn´t possible for the UK dealer to send the bike overseas due to internal Triumph export restrictions.

Thank you for all the replies


Hi George, as I am married to an english lady, I might reply to you. First of all you got to be resident to buy a Triumph, or any other bike in Spain. Then concerning the price, you should pay the same as any other spanish citizen. You will not save any amount for taxes, if the motorcycle got to be registred in Spain. Remember "U got to be resident in Spain" and export is not allowed by Triumph for the spanish dealers. I have had the same question from your side, an UK dealer to sell me a bike. After many emails and telephone calls, finally it wasn´t possible for the UK dealer to send the bike overseas due to internal Triumph export restrictions.[/quoteli7n3eqw]

Hi JUSTO, thanks for the reply.

I am resident in Spain . I do understand the what you say, but... Triumph cannot prevent any EU citizen buying a motorcycle in any other EU member country, it is european law of free trade within europe. However, Triumph 'might' refuse to assist in the export/import between countries, but they cannot prevent an individual from doing it themselves.

If you buy a Triumph (or any vehicle) in the UK, you can have it registered (matricular) on 'export plates', TAX exempt. You can then drive the vehicle in the UK or any other EU country for a max of one month, after that time you must either import it into another country or pay the UK taxes (VAT). So in effect, you can buy in the UK, tax free, then either ride the bike to Spain or put it on a grua... Triumph can't stop you doing this and they can't instuct they're dealers not to sell for export... that would be illegal .

Now think when it comes into Spain (either riden or grua)... the bike is already registered in the UK (it got a registration/number plate when registered in the UK), so customs won't stop it if it, because it is legally on the road for one month). Now you convince (the one possible obstacle) the Spanish authorities to register it as a personal import for a resident... tax free.

That is the short (but accurate version)... hope it helps.

In Portugal there are sellers who will give their address, don't known here.

http://diariodepontevedra.galiciae.com/nova/50012.html (spanish)

But you must pay the portugal taxes anyway, lower in portugal two years ago (not known now)




If you buy a Triumph (or any vehicle) in the UK, you can have it registered (matricular) on 'export plates', TAX exempt. You can then drive the vehicle in the UK or any other EU country for a max of one month, after that time you must either import it into another country or pay the UK taxes (VAT). So in effect, you can buy in the UK, tax free, then either ride the bike to Spain or put it on a grua... Triumph can't stop you doing this and they can't instuct they're dealers not to sell for export... that would be illegal .
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are you sure? we are in EU, you can't export tax free, mainly because sales betweens countrys in EU i think its not considered a export, only a sale.

you only can't export tax free if you are a not EU citizen, like american. That its for not pay double taxes, because they going to do pay their country taxes in customs.

this is how I think is that issue. Anyway good luck.

pd you have a alternative, Islas Canarias, Aland or Livigno that regions are outside the agreemments about EU taxes

are you sure? we are in EU, you can't export tax free, mainly because sales betweens countrys in EU i think its not considered a export, only a sale.

you only can't export tax free if you are a not EU citizen, like american. That its for not pay double taxes, because they going to do pay their country taxes in customs.

this is how I think is that issue. Anyway good luck.

pd you have a alternative, Islas Canarias, Aland or Livigno that regions are outside the agreemments about EU taxes[/quote149wlb7y]

I understand what you say knACK and the same system applies to any country you want to export with UK paperwork. The vehicle is registered as 'export', that can be to the US, Canada or the EU... it makes no difference. The expectaion is that the Spanish authorities will apply tax when it is imported into Spain, but there is a loophole where it can come in as a personal import (own vehicle) tax free.

If you telephone a UK Triumph dealer and talk nicely they should tell you that you can register a new vehicle for export/tax free. I can name two dealers who will readily oblige, but they won't physically move the vehicle to another country themselves.

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Hi all,

My apologies if any of the above comments are for me, my Spanish language lets me down and so does google translation

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I'm going to have to work out the viability.

PD would still prefer to buy from a Spanish dealer.

if you finally buy without taxes sucessfull remember write some line about

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Comments in spanish are not about you, Jaume its kidding about our english language (he is a [i1926qegk]cabronazo[/i1926qegk])[/quote1926qegk]

I am really ashamed at not speaking Spanish after living in this country for 14 years! . I had a motorcycle accident many years ago and it affected (made me retire too) my memory so learning is difficult!. The people on this forum seems very friendly and forgiving, so I am grateful and do apologise for being a dummy.

I do have all the official details about buying tax free in the UK and can post if anyone is interested, the Spanish import side of things I cannot say that I am 100%, but I have advice from a vehicle importer.

Comments in spanish are not about you, Jaume its kidding about our english language (he is a [il1v4hdyh]cabronazo[/il1v4hdyh])[/quotel1v4hdyh]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA2LT26Mb7g

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA2LT26Mb7g[/quote2vembm3f]

que es divertido (is that correct?) Jaume

Yes